Confused in Ohio

[Sno]

I think if Ken had control over a forum and used it as the official BZ 1.5 board, complete with an official list of things to take care of (not decided by a faction), things would be better.

Actually, these are the only people who post at BZ1-

Sporkinator is an okay fellow but only does Single Player and makes a fiasco over small things. He's always on, I think all he does is play BZ single player and sit in TS3.
Spock decides what is best for BZ1 in his eyes, and is shocked when other people suggest things or helps people. He flamed me for fixing a newcomers router problem and claimed that he helped them because he made a guide but the newcomer still had problems
Gurenx makes bad drawings and reviews of games. He is too late to save, he is brainwashed!
BattleDroid is an okay fellow, even though he's Canadian
SK-8080 -- I don't know well enough
There are two others, but they don't post too much and seem to have intelligence.

So really, the top 3 talk up a storm and give the impression they have the most forum activity. I've only spoken with Spork, Battledroid and Gurenx on TS, they can be cured if given a few Molson XXX's Spock was too much of a pansy to get on Team Speak.


Dx contributes the most since he can understand the code and assists Ken in ways Spock will never be able to. Matter of fact, Spock...Spock is just an enormous sized cheerleader with an enormous mouth, with Battlezone tattooed on his lower back.


I just do college work and drink beer while being forced to watch Dear John with my girlfriend

[TheWall]

An Internet posting willing/promoting serious physical harm upon anyone by suggesting severing limbs, in any venue is a very serious issue.

The post needs DELETED promptly, and the responsible party will be fortunate if they are not criminally prosecuted for such a post.

[hitchcockgreen]

I think if Ken had control over a forum and used it as the official BZ 1.5 board, complete with an official list of things to take care of (not decided by a faction), things would be better.

Actually, these are the only people who post at BZ1-

Sporkinator is an okay fellow but only does Single Player and makes a fiasco over small things. He's always on, I think all he does is play BZ single player and sit in TS3.
Spock decides what is best for BZ1 in his eyes, and is shocked when other people suggest things or helps people. He flamed me for fixing a newcomers router problem and claimed that he helped them because he made a guide but the newcomer still had problems
Gurenx makes bad drawings and reviews of games. He is too late to save, he is brainwashed!
BattleDroid is an okay fellow, even though he's Canadian
SK-8080 -- I don't know well enough
There are two others, but they don't post too much and seem to have intelligence.

So really, the top 3 talk up a storm and give the impression they have the most forum activity. I've only spoken with Spork, Battledroid and Gurenx on TS, they can be cured if given a few Molson XXX's Spock was too much of a pansy to get on Team Speak.


Dx contributes the most since he can understand the code and assists Ken in ways Spock will never be able to. Matter of fact, Spock...Spock is just an enormous sized cheerleader with an enormous mouth, with Battlezone tattooed on his lower back.


I just do college work and drink beer while being forced to watch Dear John with my girlfriend

Oh god yeah. I've seen some of Gurenx' drawings... Let's not speak of them again.

I would agree that Dx contributes most if I knew whether or not he had enough of Ken's ear. Undeniably he is most qualified to help.

Nathan and Ken worked better together, because Ken was the guy that liked unrestrained tweaking, as opposed to Nathan's strict "fix the code." The blend made for some good things.

I see 1.5 gameplay changing ever so subtly every build.

I think you're on to something. I believe Ken needs a partner to leash him in once in a while.

I have webspace that a SIMPLE MACHINE forum can be run from, if no one else does.

I have the capablity as well, although I think if any of us were to provide the resources, it would undoubtedly be seen as biased by the other 'faction.'

I thought BZU was the best venue, although I know that they felt it wasn't, as many of them were banned for making inflammatory posts. BZU had strict posting policies, which I was fine with. However, some of them were banned for violating those forum ToS and so, naturally, BZU became a biased forum as well.

To summarize:
I don't think you could have anyone provide a venue that would be considered neutral without somebody crying foul. Maybe Ken should just set aside a section of his Livejournal page for BZ alone and allow for anonymous, open commenting?

[BB1]

wrong, spork is in almost every game. His name is never the same twice. In my little shanty there I learned to spot him by style and mannerisms.

[Blunt Force Trauma]

The flock's personality and social interaction disorders manifesting themselves at spock's forum, in his BZ1.4 lobby and games is OLD news. I mean REALLY old, like 2+ years old.

Not quite sure why this thread has 20 posts in three days about some kid's social sickness.

[Dx.]

Not quite sure why this thread has 20 posts in three days about some kid's social sickness.

Yeah, TheWall is pretty sick, who else would paint some boxes like an NSDF pilot and pose for pictures.

[Blunt Force Trauma]

Yeah, TheWall is pretty sick, who else would paint some boxes like an NSDF pilot and pose for pictures.

Hehe, that was some serious fanboy action if there ever was.

[Firestorm29]

I'd love to be a part of this unbiased forum. A part of me still wants to continue to create that server I wanted to start 2 years ago. Someone was nice enough to show me a way to save some money, enough to be able to host something with. Though I have concerns that I'd either be too much of an hard a** or more likely, way too lenient.

The other concern is me getting punched in the face financially like I did two years ago and leaving a community fractured and stranded as a result. I still haven't been able to get over that...

[FirBirGir]

Hi Wall!

If an UNBIASED server/host solution cannot be part of the fix, then any fixes made to the GAME is pointless (in MULTIPLAYER), because that is not the dominant factor in the state of ONLINE/MULTI-PLAYER.

By unbiased do you mean unmoderated as in no one is banned for any reason? Because the moment even the most flagrant cheater is banned, the cries of BIAS start pouring from the poor souls being treated unfairly. To prove their point, the more fanatical people will do whatever it takes to get banned just to point out how unfair things are. Those poor souls will go off and set up their own server and their own forums where they can play BZ without "all the politics". We end up right back where we started.

As long as hacking, cheating, gtesting, blah, blah is still possible, the game will wane. The main reason I stopped playing on the Acti servers way back when was the inability to play a game without a hacker destroying it. And since the servers were unmoderated, he could destroy games all day long. We assume 1.5 will fix the game cheating but it can't fix gtest. Anyone wanting to disrupt the server can do it easily.

So do you think unmoderated servers will fix anything?

I can point to game after game that exist only on player ran servers. The difference between those games and BZ is the number of players. This community is so small that any faction takes a significant portion of the population. In other games, who cares if someone gets POed and runs off with a handful of players to play on their "own" server, you wouldn't even notice. We're seeing the results of a very old game with a very small population that still plays for more reasons than "it's just fun."

There are so many great MP games out there, I think it will be very difficult to bring back BZ without a full rewrite. The great work Ken is doing is mainly for us still playing and those who can't play because of hardware issues.

Eddy

[hitchcockgreen]

+1

[Sno]

Note sure if this has been already debated, but -

What about an in-game voting system to remove players that are cheating? The host might be new and doesn't know how, is AFK, or doesn't care. Some admin mods for Counter-Strike and TF2 allow this option when no admin is around to remedy the problem. Of course, the number of votes would need to be based on how many people are in the game. Game lobby, on the other hand, would be tricky...but nothing an ignore/block feature cannot fix.

[Xtreme]

This system works, but sometimes cheaters hang out in gangs like the croats so you can't secure a majority vote.

[Dx.]

If the host of the game isn't there, he should be auto kicked after a time of being inactive, otherwise the host should have full control over his game.

[Blunt Force Trauma]

FirbirGir - I don't know about how every single person believes in respect to unbiased moderating of a server, but I believe yours is, and has been one of the most fair, if not THE most fair server I've ever used. As a matter of fact, your patience with the nonsense over the years may have actually done more damage than you taking a hard line.

The flock nonsense has proven itself to be ridiculous time after time after time in all aspects of moderation, judgment and maturity. The ONLY people that are fooled to thinking that server is 'fair' are adolescent children who stumble into it.

[hitchcockgreen]

Again, +1


I know that the other side have Eddy on the top of their wall of shame...their most wanted list, I guess as one of the worst offenders. But that's nonsense. Eddy has been beyond fair and far beyond patient with the BS that used to plague the 911 server(s).

[Blunt Force Trauma]

I always saw spock's 'wall of shame' as a mixture of 1 part valid grievance and 9 parts childish pouting from legitimate players making him look like a noob during gameplay.

[SnakeEye]

I have always seen dx's and spock's wall of shame as an extremely silly thing to have.

[Xtreme]

Wall of shame = "people who kicked my a**, and 1 hacker"

[Dx.]

I have always seen dx's and spock's wall of shame as an extremely silly thing to have.

I don't have a wall of shame.

[FirBirGir]

I don't have a wall of shame.

I have a wall of celebrity look alikes. Does that count?