Or give it up altogether.hitchcockgreen wrote:The only way I can see this being resolved is to use a more precise and static measuring tool than GPS.
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Now why would we want to do that? 

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Here's what happend;
As the world turns.....so do the, "Days Of Our Lives" (soap)Originally, the pulses of protons that CERN used to generate the neutrinos through collisions with a stationary target were relatively long, and some critics have claimed that the long pulses, lasting 10.5 microseconds, could have introduced some uncertainty into the process. The OPERA scientists therefore asked CERN to shorten the pulses, and the new pulses have been only three nanoseconds (billionths of a second) long. The original result had been that the neutrinos traveled from CERN to Gran Sasso 60 nanoseconds faster than light would have taken for the same 732 kilometers, with a statistical standard error that was one-sixth as large (hence the result was statistically significant at “six-sigma,” which is extremely significant and its probability of being a fluke was therefore less than one in 3.5 million). The much shorter pulses make the pulse length fall within the standard error, and not a contributor to a possible false finding. Significantly, the new results, based on 20 detected neutrinos from the new and ultrashort pulses, replicated the earlier OPERA finding.
The MINOS physicists are now looking through the voluminous data set on neutrino velocities they had accumulated over many years of research. This group did not use a GPS as accurate as that used by OPERA, but the time and space accuracy attained by the group—and their immensely large data set—should still be useful in confirming or challenging the results from Gran Sasso. It is important to note that early analyses of the MINOS data set has indeed indicated that the neutrinos may well travel at speeds higher than that of light. But these results lacked statistical significance (they did not meet the two-sigma, 95% probability standard of proof). It will be fascinating to see what MINOS and other research teams discover over the next few months, and whether we may be forced to update our understanding of Einstein’s special theory of relativity.

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All the pieces fit now.
I just don't see how a mass is going to achieve FTL outside of an event horizon. It will be a grand house of cards that will fall. And the house works great now in every circumstance.
If there's anything, it may be some variation of quantum nonlocality. If so, I predict some rather embarrassed researchers.
I just don't see how a mass is going to achieve FTL outside of an event horizon. It will be a grand house of cards that will fall. And the house works great now in every circumstance.
If there's anything, it may be some variation of quantum nonlocality. If so, I predict some rather embarrassed researchers.
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Here we go again !
Scientists reject rivals' light-speed claims ...
Icarus physicists' study upholds Einstein's theory of relativity
Methinks i'll stop following this story for about 6 months, then see if anything has actually been proved.
Scientists reject rivals' light-speed claims ...
Icarus physicists' study upholds Einstein's theory of relativity
Methinks i'll stop following this story for about 6 months, then see if anything has actually been proved.


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