'Occupy' Protests

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More Ron Paul "the sky is falling" from a past John Birch Society documentary, 'the one world order is coming'. I've put his comments in snippets, so you don't have to wade through the whole thing.

It's a blurry mess, so I guess Paul can say it was a look-alike imposter with a knack to sound very much like him...

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[FirBirGir]

And even if he were elected, you know 90% of his campaign promises could never be met, right?
I mean, those newsletters kind of make him sound like Manson.

Like all other politicians once they're elected. At the end of the day, they're all varieties of the same fruit...

[hitchcockgreen]

And even if he were elected, you know 90% of his campaign promises could never be met, right?
I mean, those newsletters kind of make him sound like Manson.

Like all other politicians once they're elected. At the end of the day, they're all varieties of the same fruit...

Precisely. So what causes that? Lobbies?

[FirBirGir]

The system. Policy platforms are trumped by career politics where the main goal is to stay in office as long as you can. If we make the system less lucrative for politicians, we might get different results. Term limits is the first and simplest step to reform. It's also the one that politicians will fight with the most vigor since it stops their way of life.

I would love to see 2 term limits for all elected positions including state governors and city mayors. Corruption follows those that are entrenched and make a life out of an office. Look at Mayor Daley from Chicago. He was surrounded by so many smoking guns, you'd swear his a** was on fire.

Eddy

[hitchcockgreen]

It's funny you have a 2 term limit for the President, but no one else.

[Sno]

Compared to the other goons on the GOP stage, Ron Paul is the most sane and drama free. Some of his goals I know won't happen, like taking down the CIA. Overbearing...yes, but he still has the right ideas of getting the government to a smaller size.

Or would you rather elect one of these famous sayings:

I bet you $10,000/corporations are people too
I will ban all internet porn
I have over 80 ethics violations
I want to close 3 agencies. one, two and uhhhh...hmm, errrr/I was Al Gores cheerleader




Furthermore, abortion is a kill ticket either way. Ron Paul already said he's anti-abortion, but will let the states decide. Governor Deal of GA did the same thing with allowing the sale of alcohol on Sunday's (welcome to the South). He allowed cities to vote whether to allow it, but he stated he was going to vote "No" on his ballot.

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Image how much more likely this would go if Iran knew the US had a president that would shrug his shoulders at a blockade.

[hitchcockgreen]

Furthermore, abortion is a kill ticket either way. Ron Paul already said he's anti-abortion, but will let the states decide. Governor Deal of GA did the same thing with allowing the sale of alcohol on Sunday's (welcome to the South). He allowed cities to vote whether to allow it, but he stated he was going to vote "No" on his ballot.

Booze on Sundays is an iffy thing in the U.S.? How wide spread is buying alcohol at convenience stores?
Oh wait, I get it.... Sunday.

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[Sno]

I think Ron Paul would do the same thing to Iran since they're affecting international trade. Iran always does something stupid, but they aren't stupid enough to start a war with a developed country with a larger, more sophisticated military (Australia, UK, USA, Canada, etc).

Yea, Georgia had some stupid zero-alcohol on Sunday rule for a long time because of religious nut cases. It got smacked down a few months ago. Now any store may sell it after 12:30pm on Sunday (that's apparently going to be debated now, too). Funny enough were the debates over it. Such as "aren't you worried about the women are are beaten by drunk husbands?" Because, we all know beatings only occur on Sunday...right?

[hitchcockgreen]

Lmao

And here I thought, constitutionally, religion wasn't supposed to mess with politics.

If Rick Santorum won it'd be like sharia law down there.

I think everyone should just leave Iran the hell alone. The west has already meddled in their affairs enough. Damn, give them a chance to recover.
Going to war with them now is only going to further escalate hatred for the west.

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[FirBirGir]

They could well start attacking ships in the Strait or minimally, block oil shipments (yes, they are idiotic enough to do it). So everyone leaves them the hell alone, Iran disrupts global oil shipments, an already weak global economy goes in the toilet and.... then what?

[Sno]

Iran said they're doing so because of the newly imposed sanctions placed on them. Remove the sanctions, and they won't be threatening. Put plainly, obama is just the idiotic cousin of George Bush. He's continuing the same policies and meddling in foreign affairs the same way. All these sanctions are slaps on the wrist, if I were Iran I'd be a bit pissed off too. People also need to realize that just because Iran is starting to use nuclear power doesn't mean they're going to make nuclear weapons when they really don't have the means to make it go from A to B effectively.

[FirBirGir]

Neither did North Korea, Pakistan or India... until they did. Once they have it, there's no going back. I don't know about you, but that bunch along with Iran having nuclear weapons scares the crap out of me.

If the sanctions are a slap on the wrist, why does Iran react so violently to it, to the point of potentially provoking military actions from another nation (it doesn't have to be the US, even the French would do something if they stopped getting oil). Iran is either looking for a fight or the sanctions do cause more pain than we think.

[Blunt Force Trauma]

You're right, Iran is not stupid enough to set off a nuke in aggression for the world to see.

The cheapest, and politically easiest, thing to do is let some "mismanaged" fissionable material accidentally find its way out of the country into the terrorist community. At best that would result in a low-yield nuke. Probably not the best choice. You DO get the shock & fear of setting off a nuke, however to have sufficient critical mass, you most likely are going to use every bit of what was obtained. But. . . if there's a problem, you could loose your whole load. . .

Much more likely, and more 'bang for the buck', is "dirty" conventional packpack bombs. One or two get stopped, you might have a dozen more. You only need a few grams of the highly radioactive material spread over a city block to abandon large swaths of city after a well placed bomb. The plume could rain down thick for many additional blocks and mist down on the city for several square miles. Not that it is THAT much of a health issue if properly dressed out and exposure times are observed. But it would cause the abandonment of large areas of a city for months to years for cleanup.

So. . .either way, once Iran has it, the probability of the material getting out in sufficient quantities to wreak worldwide havoc goes sky high.

Ron Paul apparently believes that's unlikely. And even if it does happen, as long as it's not in the US, it's not our concen.

[hitchcockgreen]

Who gets to determine what countries are allowed nukes?

It's been a pandora's box. Anyone can figure it out and develop it, eventually. Hell, I don't like the U.S. having them but not much anyone can do about that now.

Nukes are supposedly good for one thing: deterrence. No one wants mutually assured destruction.

[Blunt Force Trauma]

It's not too dissimilar to owning guns in the US.

There's going to be little to no outcry if a family father has a gun, or a hunter, or even a law-abiding bounty hunter. But there's a whole different feeling about the guy who has constant fights with those around him, and makes threats to neighbors.

Till the crazy neighbor actually does something illegal, his 'so-called right to bear arms' is maintained. . .till he does something to warrant taking away that 'right'.

However with nukes, the level of devastation that can be inflicted on surrounding neighbors along with constant threats, far and away override any right to have nuclear weapons justifying MAD as the premise. China and the Soviet Union is playing a dangerous game with Iran at the moment with their passive attitude.

To me it all boils down to a yes or no question. Do you believe we will see an unaffiliated nuclear device (dirty conventional or low-yield 'gun-barrel' type nuke) set off in aggression in the next 15 years if Iran is allowed to enrich U-235 >90% or plutonium to critical mass quantities?

[hitchcockgreen]

Another question may be do you think you'll see dirty, low yield or unconventional nuke materials seep out of Iran if strict economic sanctions are imposed that push their economy to the brink of collapse? Look what has happened to the former USSR and it's eastern bloc states.

Now look at a country such as N Korea, who does have nuclear capabilities and despite their posturing and number of enemies have never used one.

Look at India and Pakistan. Both have nukes and neither are likely to ever use them.

Not saying this would necessarily be the case with Iran but consider that all their "enemies" already have nukes.

No the real purpose to them developing nukes, if they were so inclined, is to deter people from attacking them - the same reason anyone else ever builds them.

If we were going to say any country that has, in the past, been aggressive or hostile towards other nations without just cause, then really no one would have the right to have nuclear weapons. And although there are international laws they seem to be treated as a joke for the most part. Western nations seem somehow excused from trials in that court.

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[Sno]

I'm not worried if Iran get nukes, not at all. People think that US and allies are not staked out in secret locations on land and sea for such events.

Aside from military bases, we are submarine fanatics. This is the deterrent for Iran to think twice before launching any weapon against the US and/or ally.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... WVtpao0KSM

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We tried letting the world party on their own.

Gets millions slaughtered.