'Occupy' Protests

[hitchcockgreen]

millions would have been slaughtered in ww2 regardless of when America joined. There were too many fronts for everyone to be on at once...which was the initial falling domino for Germany.

Besides...we aren't talking about a multinational conflict when it comes to Iran; what we're essentially dealing with is military action in response to the threat of losing access to fossil fuels thinly veiled as a response to the so-far nonexistent threat of nuclear development.

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[hitchcockgreen]

[FirBirGir]

I don't get that one at all... It shows how someone either down on their luck or the victim of a down ecomony can still get the best healthcare in the world. Yes, he gave up his job but cancer will do that to person. If he needed major surgery within a month of being diagnosed, that would qualify as disability and that's what welfare is for. Once he has recovered, he can go back to work. Again, I don't get it...

Eddy

[hitchcockgreen]

I think his complaint is simply that he had to go on welfare to get help.

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[Blunt Force Trauma]

I don't get that one at all... It shows how someone either down on their luck or the victim of a down ecomony can still get the best healthcare in the world.

Eddy

That life's existence is relative, is one of my long time tenets. If he was working and the healthcare's deductible was $15,000, you may have seen him holding a note for that. Or his employer wanted him back to work sooner than he liked. Or his wife left him for a healthier man. Or his car was repossessed when he was in the hospital because he missed a few payments. There will ALWAYS be something to complain about.

As you said, he's alive and hopefully back on the road to a 'normal' life.

[FirBirGir]

I think his complaint is simply that he had to go on welfare to get help.

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The ideal of welfare is to help those who need it. Sounds like he was barely above the water to start with and the welfare safety net saved his life. The system worked for him from my perspective. In another country, he may have been put on a waiting list and died waiting for the surgery. You never know...

Eddy

[Dx.]

If that was me i wouldn't care about the cancer, we all have a terminal disease called life and it always ends, i choose not to cling to it. Death is a natural part of life. I want nothing to do with Doctors nor Obama care or any of the like.

[FFAxTomcat480]

I was told Obama was singing???????????? WTF is wrong with this guy???

[Dx.]

He's just trying to hold on to the office.

[hitchcockgreen]

More specifically trying to cling to an ever shrinking black vote.

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[Sno]

I can agree with welfare being used to assist people in a rut, my father was on it for about 6 months. Except, he didn't lose his job due to the economy, but because the company got restructured by a new CEO and decided one person could handle 9 states, instead of 1 person per state...so he got the boot. He still has yet to find a good job at his age that doesn't have him traveling 2,000 miles a month, but he thinks the people in OWS are "mostly spoiled nitwits who think success requires no sacrifice or risks, and believe that the world revolves around them. Let's initiate the draft and see if they complain that they actually have to work to get a paycheck."

I love my dad

[hitchcockgreen]

Hehe
I won't deny there's that element to the protesters... and oh god they love giving the flakes screentime.

The legitimate concerns are there, and it's got nothing to do with entitlement.

Your dad sounds fun.

[Blunt Force Trauma]

And don't forget Mr. Taxpayer, it's YOUR FAULT that college kids have such large student loans, so be ready to cough up some cash for these misunderstood students!

[Sno]

^ LOL


Like I said before, kids today don't look at where their degree can land them 10 years after they graduate.
Here's my how-to for choosing a college degree:


INTEREST LEVEL IN DEGREE + INDUSTRY DEMAND = Probability of a successful life
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LOW + LOW = NOT LIKELY (don't pursue, period. The "easy degree" at institution. OWS people)
LOW + HIGH = MODERATE (don't pursue, possibility of a major change of career later in life)
HIGH + LOW = MODERATE (don't pursue, OWS people. Let this be a hobby)
HIGH + HIGH = VERY LIKELY (pursue)

[Blunt Force Trauma]

That's good advice, problem is, there is a lot of subjectivity in the second and fluctuating variation in the first.

[hitchcockgreen]

Agreed. Then there are people like me with fluctuating interests. Sure, I'm doing this IT thing now, but 5-10 years from now I'll probably abandon it completely...

Just like I abandoned film editing, media analysis, and GIS....

[FirBirGir]

The difference is you made a living while you went through the changes like most people do. Almost any industry has a lifespan and it may end during your career so you do something else. Or, you can stand around and complain that your lifelong ambition of being a SysOp on a BBS has been stolen from you by the 1%. I have to agree with Sno, be smart about your degree if your career is closely linked to it. Or, you can have a broader major like Business Management that can be applied in numerous careers.

Eddy

[hitchcockgreen]

Agreed. I was adding to his point, not trying to come across as being contrary.
And yeah, its been this way for some time now that the life-long careers of our parents are no longer guaranteed.
I believe the current average number of careers during one's lifetime is somewhere around three or four.
Me? I just get bored easily.

I was considering taking up some level of programming as a next step but haven't gone too far to deciding at this point.
I've nearly advanced as high as I can go at my current job (new position opening up and after that its just management) so I figure maybe another four or five years before I do something different.

And yeah I have no sympathy for people with useless degrees. How many teachers did you have in high school that were bitter and mean because they likely had some delusion that they'd end up a successful novelist or something? I know I had more than a few. Had very few teachers at elementary and high school levels (and university too) that were teachers because they always wanted to be teachers.

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[Ded10c]

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Not all the OWS protestors fit into your equation where you think they do.

[Sno]

There are fluctuations in my degree thinga-ma-jig, but it's purely based from my perspective from what I've seen at my college and does have two sides. I'm not sure how else to explain this, but Items such as the High interest, Low demand might be a field like being a Hot Pocket chef ( ), but at the same time an industry might pay $200,000 for someone with a skill that's inherently not in major demand. Ex: a highly sophisticated field that-the-majority-of-public-will-never-be-able-to-do like Quantum Mechanics or whatever it is Sheldon on Big Bang Theory does

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Not all the OWS protestors fit into your equation where you think they do.

The ones that I spoke to certainly do.